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Don't cramp people zoom fluorescent
lighted office all day long.

You know you probably are
going to work from home.

Hello and welcome to episode number 31 of
No Office, a podcast about work,

technology and life
from a remote company perspective.

My name is Rafal Sobolewski, and as
always, I'm joined by my good friend and

CEO of our No Office company,
Nozbe Michael Sliwinski.

Hello, Michael, how are you today?
Good.

Good, good.
I'm really, really good because this is my

last day of work because
tomorrow I have free.

You have a short break.
Yes.

Yes, I'm going on a date with my wife.

So that's great.

Well, that's fancy.
Well, you have three kids.

You really appreciate that you can go on a

date with with your wife, without kids,
you know, for for a couple of days.

So this is what we're going to do.

So let's jump into our typical segment
and let's talk about what we have been up

to us and see because November
was very intense for us.

We had the Black Friday promo.
Oh .

And , we had a lot of meetings.

On Cyber Monday, we actually recorded two

product vlogs, one in
Polish, one in English.

And we, , we we showed how to use
Nozbe Teams with multiple teams, how you

can purchase Nozbe premium
for your team of one.

, even our team of two.

And we saw some new features like filters.
.

And there are more features,
but we are working on quality.

Actually, I see on our Slack that we have

notification from Radek
is working on native Mac app.

Yes.
And Windows as well.

Don't worry.
.

So , there are more exciting stuff to come
in Nozbe Teams and hopefully we will have

more to share even in December
in another product.

So make sure to check out our
Nozbe dot com slash blog.

.

Website It's always like
the newest episode.

Yes.
Yes, yes.

I'm really happy that
we managed to do one.

And you know
this this whole fact of of us introducing,

you know, the the multi multiple teams
and also introducing more plans.

So there is a plan for a team of one.

So if you just want to use Nozbe Teams on

your own, you can just get a team
of one and use it on your own.

The thing is that just today, when I was

reviewing their promo,
we figured if we saw

a case of the person who bought the team
of one

with the promo so far with additional
teams free as of the Black Friday offer,

and already today they have
three people on the team.

So.

So he used already this system that which
which I think I would like to say it's

brilliant because we figured it
out, but I think it is brilliant.

, because you shaped it up.

Yes, because

this system that when you start with a
team of one and you pay for a year

and you want to add additional person to
your team, you'll have to pay anything.

You just change to the two people and then

we automatically calculate your, you know,
your next renewal to be just earlier

because we just like use the
time that you bought anyway.

And and he used it like twice because, you

know, he he also got the
third person on board.

So and and I think this is what I really

like about Nozbe Teams that
we make upgrades and downgrades so easy.

Like you don't have to, you know, go

through finance, you don't have to pay
another bill, another invoice, whatever.

You just change the plan and it

automatically adjusts the
the next renewal time.

So actually
with doing this tweak, you can buy not

only and Nozbe premium for
a month or for a year.

You can actually calculate to buy.

Buy it for 3 months
or 4 months or seven months.

Yes, exactly.
Exactly.

So just by, you know, by

manipulating how many people you
have on your team, basically.

But but this is what I like about our
approach is that

we want people to start very small, even
solopreneurs, team of one, whatever, and

then gradually keep adding
people to their team.

, actually, I think that's
that's even better.

Even easier to introduce to a team once

like two or three people already know the
tool and how it works, and then you later

invite more people and help them to
onboard because like you know,

every tool for four teams is like, we try
to make it as easy as possible, but there

will always be things that need to be
explained to to some, some team members.

But there's always

something that they always say to our
customers is that they should start small.

Just put one project, one major project
that you working on and the people who are

going to work on this
project in your Nozbe Teams.

And that's it.

Everything else do the
same way you are doing.

But just this one project do it in Nozbe
Teams with this small group of people.

And when you get the hang of it, you will

want to add, you know,
more projects to it.

But also, this will create engagement
because people know, I mean, they will

know that to access information
about this particular project.

They will have to use Nozbe Teams.

There is no other way to
get to that information.

There is no email.
There is no, you know, Jira or Slack,

asana or whatever you are using
before because it's in Nozbe Teams.

So you start with Nozbe Teams with this

small group of people in my project
and then it goes from there.

Let's move on.

As I said, November was very intense,
and I really, I'm glad to.

You have a break with your with your
wife for a day to a couple of days.

Me too.

I took some
couple of days free in December and I

can't wait to take these days because,
the last month was really, really intense.

We had a lot of meetings

and I additionally had
training on macOS Monterray.

OK.
.

And it was on Saturday and
it was virtual and it was.

I felt that for the
whole day the next day.

And wow, what kind of training was that?
Who, who?

Who did it for you?

Do you know this podcast, MacGadka?

Yes, of course.

.

I'm like a premium subscriber of this.

And with this subscription, I have like
one one training for free in the year.

OK, .

So I decided I want to have it training
once, then macOS ships

and I planned it for for November,
but I forgot about that.

That's actually need

that week before Black Friday, and we
will have his always a very intense time.

Yes.
So I didn't plan it.

Well, that's my mistake.

But , that's really ruined
my my, my weekly schedule.

Yes, I'm sure that I would.

But that's the thing, you know, we
make also, I think just today, I had so

many meetings as well, and
it's like when you have too many meetings,

we get really very quickly drained out and
we just, you know, it's like meetings are

something that you know
that you want to do.

Well, you you wants to be
prepared for a meeting.

So it's also the time before the meeting
and not about just because you are anxious

or afraid, but also because you really
want to, you know, do well, you want to be

ready for it and then you
have to be on the meeting.

And the good thing is that in our company,
we have the set ups pretty well done.

So there is no Hey, can you hear me?

Do you see my camera?

We don't have that, but it's still like,

you know, we are there and you
know, it's it's it's it's intense.

And I think also the style of our meetings

is like, we like we like to fight and
we like to really discuss things.

This training I had from MacGadka guys
and our meetings, like I like all of them

thought to be and to to to
figure out stuff about.

But really, after such a meeting after

even though I I felt it was
a very productive meeting.

I feel exhausted after like having
three of them on Monday, for example.

, yes, all the whole training.

On Saturday, it took like 10 hours of

being online, constantly
in front of camera.

Like, Well, , that's that's really not not
good for for, for, for my brain, I think.

And actually recently on on Tuesday, we
had the retrospection on our design fight.

Yes, so about that, our design fight
meeting is our proudest meeting.

I'm really proud of this meeting.

Our favorite, our favorite, this is our

think, the best thing we have
ever invented for our team.

I describe it in my book at No Office.

Com Slash meetings.

So it's in the whole
chapter about meetings.

I talk about our design fight meeting.

The cool thing about it is that
it's like this brain trust.

So we we are like, you know, around the

roundtable and we decide on designing
new features for Nozbe and.

None of us has the, you know, has the most
power like we have to convince each other,

we have to fight each other and we have to
ask inconvenient questions and ask, you

know, maybe stupid questions, you know,
ask and talk about, you know, edge cases.

So it's it's a very intense discussion

because we don't want to ship
crappy features for our users.

We don't want to ship features that will

just break or what's what's what's
for me personally the most important.

We don't want to ship features
that create bad habits,

something that it might be a good idea,
but this will create a bad habit that

people will start doing this instead of
what they should be really doing right.

And I really appreciate that we we got on

on this meeting or in
this design fight group.

We we really give each other very negative
feedback on the things we see shaping up.

That's really good because if you don't
get negative feedback, that means that

either your co-workers are not so good
at this or you are another or you are just

at the top level and there is
no way to to develop yourself.

Nobody's that good.

But if not even me.

So the thing is that we
really criticize each other.

I mean each other, each other's work.

There is this saying when you are an

author, like when you are
anyway, when you're creator, you should

kill your darlings, kill your
darlings, like you should edit.

You should really, you know,
look critically at your stuff.

But it's hard because these are your

darlings, but on the
Design Fight meetings.

No problem.
People are killing our darlings.

And I remember like
several times when I shaped up like a very

cool feature, and I was so excited about
it, only to be just completely like

destroyed on the meeting and like my
feature went to trash immediately.

And something I was really excited about.

I just went nowhere.

But it's OK.

Like I tried.

I explored an idea.

And then it's, you know, it
helps me also change my mind.

Be flexible and adaptive
to be changing my mind.

Because I think this is the worst part

about our society is that very people,
many people are stubborn.

They don't change their minds.

They don't want to improve.

Or, you know, look on the other side.

They just are stuck with their what
they believe or what they think.

And that's it.

And we should, you know, we should really
fight for what we what we believe in.

But when we get
proof from the other side that it's it's a

different situation and that there is
there are new facts and our situation has

changed too, we should be able to change,
you know, the way we think.

Exactly.
And many times it can be done.

I think honestly, we actually don't
need this meeting like that much.

, I mean, again, talking
about designing features.

So one of the things that's how we

designed Nozbe Teams is that
the comments should encourage a longer

discussion, a longer comment,
not just yes or OK, right?

It should be like a longer thing, OK?

There are good gestures.

Like, Yes, no, but the most important

thing is that we want to
encourage longer discussions.

And because of that, we Nozbe
Teams promotes asynchronous work.

And that's why we realized that the
design fight meeting as great as it is.

And you know, it is really good.

Well, I want to just explore it
a bit more why it's so good.

But it's we've done it very well, but

we can move one step
further and we can make going from.

It's a regular meeting because I always
say in my book, I say that meeting should

be regular, optional and optional
and optional, and we're prepared.

And the thing is

that we decided that optional should
be the default for this meeting.

So the default is we don't have to meet.

There is no meeting on Tuesday at 2pm.

Actually, I think that
optional was default.

Like, we always

agreed that OK, if we have topics to
discuss, then there is a meeting.

.
And now we change it to make it OK.

The default is no meeting unless the day

before the meeting
Monday 4pm, we decided that we need.

We need a meeting because there are
topics, but that cannot move forward.

Asynchronous?

And , because I noticed that often I
hesitated to give Asynchronus feedback.

When it's this feedback is complicated
and maybe it's harder to do, right?

That's right.

Write down this this more complex feedback

to some idea, and I sometimes
waited for the meeting to show it.

And that's not good because if I have a
feedback, I should share it like

immediately and and learn how to how to
express myself on in the written forum.

Because that's that's most productive

and on only when we cannot really get to
the final conclusions, I think honestly.

And then we will do that meeting.

Yes, because you know, the meeting is
basically for the nuance is to really

talk things through if you cannot
get it right in the written form.

And and that's that's
where we should be headed.

And our comments, as you
mentioned, should be better.

So we should basically get better, even
even as the masters of asynchronous work

should get even better and asynchronous
work at asynchronous comments.

Async is default, like meeting
is really only when it's needed.

Yes.
And you know, like we are humans, like we

like to, you know, hang out to
be together and all that stuff.

That's why we also decided that we will

have the meeting when it's necessary
or once a month, whichever comes first.

So this way, we make sure that to the

group of design fighters and is still
coherent, that the group is still there.

We know that we are part of the group and
we have this one moment in months at least

to get motivated to, you know, give each
other, you know, push each other for

better comments, for better
feedback, for better conversation.

Yes, because right on those meetings, we

sometimes see that our third tool
to brainstorm some idea.

, but we always do it.

OK, that's interesting point.

Let's let's brainstorm
this, but for 15 minutes.

Mm hmm.
.

And after 15 minutes, OK,
if we decide there is something

interesting that we create a task to be
shaped up by someone and someone, someone

from the team will explore the topic more
and prepare to put shape up,

which in the future will be by
default discussed asynchronous.

One thing that I really liked about our

design fight meeting was that
it was really well-prepared.

So they really were prepared, just like

what I mentioned in my in my book, in my
chapter on meetings that

sometimes were late, of course, with,
you know, with documentation and stuff.

Sometimes it was really last minute.

But still, we always, like all of us,

really read the documentation, the
comments, everything before the meeting.

So the meeting was always after
we've read stuff, which is great.

So like, so you read it first
and then you will discuss and.

But now, as you said, we need to be better

even at preparing this
documentation and commenting on it.

Asynchronously, we also said and and I
think it's also very cool that

the person who is responsible for a
feature for the proposal for for the

document is responsible for
managing managing commons there.

So they have to react to comments there

and then later in our Nozbe Teams app in
that task, summarize for everyone else

like, OK, so I got these comments,
I'm changes document or I'm going to ditch

it, I'm going to completely make it
new or I just improved some stuff.

And these are the final conclusions.
Do you agree?

And then when we agree,
the thing goes forward.

So , the thing is we go for those forward

to to our portfolio of options
for further development.

Mm hmm.
Exactly.

So.

I encourage you and every one of you
just to really question your meetings.

You know, like make sure that the

because there's a saying, you know, it's a
meeting and it could have been an email.

No, it could have been
a task in Nozbe Teams.

But mostly it if if this
meeting happens too many times.

Think about it.
Does it really have to happen?

Does it have to really happen that often?

Can we not make it a different process,
like having a task, having comments,

deciding there and only when
we really need to be together?

We we are together on a meeting.

So really, I do encourage you to
all to to question the meetings.

If you if you encounter resistance from

your teammates
and he wants to do it, maybe,

maybe try convince them by, OK, so we have
this meeting every week, like make it

every two weeks and in the meantime,
try to discuss things asynchronously.

Exactly like to like to not make
drastic change, but slowly adapt.

Add up to the asynchronous work.

, but and because it is important,
especially in an all remote workspace like

we have, that you have to meet because
you have to every now and then.

Yes, because you want to feel that you're
part of something and you're part of a

team that you are in this together with
somebody else, hand in hand, right?

So you want to meet

quite regularly, but maybe not as
regularly as initially you thought,

because this can be draining
and this can be exhausting.

And what I like about our decision on the

design fight meeting is the
fact that we had something.

I mean, we have something which is great,

but we still are trying to make
it even better like we can.

And and we and we appreciate that
what got us here won't get us there.

So like the way it works now, it's it's it
was great for the time that we needed it.

Now we are changing it a bit different

because we think this will help us,
you know, make it even better.

.

So we're constantly wants to move forward
and evolve ourselves and our process.

And I think those who want to add
to this topic also we take a break.

.

Let's take a break and listen to one
of our customers how they love Nozbe.

Yes, because
No Office podcast is sponsored by Nozbe

Teams, a To-Do app that helps
small teams do great things.

Let's hear what Sara Nozbe
customer say about the product.

When we've been around for about 10 years,

our business has been using Nozbe for
about eight of those years, and as we

grew, we kind of got to the point where I
just couldn't remember everything anymore.

I'm pretty organized.

I would just kind of keep everything in my

head and with the notes and things like
that, and it just got to be too much.

And so I started looking around for some

sort of project management software
that can help me have it set up.

Really trusted system.

But really, I just wanted a system where I
could know that I had everything in there.

I wasn't going to forget anything.

I wasn't going to drop any balls
for clients or miss deadlines.

So that was Sara, our great customer, and
you spoke recently with Sara.

I mean, this was an excerpt
from my interview with her.

Like, so first I spoke to her
as because I speak to customers, if you go

to Nozbe dot com slash contact,
you will know how we do customer support.

And one of the things I do is regularly

meet with customers and
I met with her and she was brilliant and

it was so much fun talking to her and I
thought, you know, and ask her if she

could, you know, do an interview
for our podcast and for our blog.

And if you want to learn more, just go to
Nozbe blog, go to our blog

Nozbe and then you can see my
whole blog Nozbe dot com Nozbe.

Com.

And if you go there, you will see you will
find my recent conversation with Sara, the

whole the full conversation where
I asked her several questions.

And one of the key takeaways is how she

forces people to use verbs to
make Nozbe more actionable.

So stay tuned.
Check it out.

It's like she gets lots of good tips and
tricks to tricks, and she's a kind of

productivity nut,
which I appreciate a lot.

So, all right, so let's move on to our

No Office No Office setup segment, and I
have some follow up to the previous

episode today, but only
because in the recent episode, I was

complaining a little bit
on my iPadOnly trip.

And , I actually you posted on your blog
doesn't read the review of iPad Pro.

The 13 inch yes.

After three months.

, and you reminded me.

One another thing tha,
that really annoyed me

is that like working with
working with large fires on the but this

is it can be really be a pain in the in
the in the back pocket parts of your body.

, because I back then I
I had like mobile internet connection and

I was just finished
recording a podcast episode with Emilia.

, .

And I downloaded downloaded the recording
from Streamyard and the whole the whole

recording, how the recording was
like nine hundred megabytes.

OK.
.

And I wanted to upload it to Dropbox.
OK.

And still working on some
other stuff on the home iPad.

, and it failed.
It failed.

Via Dropbox.
It failed via Files app.

.
And I only managed to do it the day after.

OK, which wasn't great.

And you actually made a good point that

you cannot even you bought
one terabyte model.

Yes.
But , and but you cannot set it to

download all your photos
from iCloud photo library.

Yes.
Locally, .

Which is, , this is nuts.

I mean, this is really ridiculous
because I have one terabyte iPad.

I got it on the and remember
we had this discussion.

Should I get it or should I not get it?

I got it for this 16 gigabytes of RAM

because it has more ram and and
an apple is charging it for.

It's like the difference between half

terabyte iPad and one terabyte
iPad is a big difference.

So I was really like doubting myself.

I should spend so much money on this iPad,

but I did because, you know, I might
add only this is my main computer.

Let's do it.

And first of all, I'm not sure that the 16
gigabytes of RAM are still, you know, so

useful because many apps are just
being killed anyway, you know?

But second thing is that really, I can use
this one terabytes of data like I cannot

download all my iCloud files, for example,
like I have my presentations.

I can think with so much space I could
download all my presentations, all my

like, really, all of my iCloud
files, all of my photos.

And I like and I would be still
with plenty of space.

You know, I made my photos
and videos are like A.

300 gigabytes right now and then my iCloud

data, like it's just, I don't
know, 50 or one hundred.

So it's still, I mean, I would still
have plenty, plenty room to spare.

But there is no way to set iOS,
to do it, to download it all.

Because whenever I want to edit some

video, I have to first wait
until it gets from the iCloud.

And with that, it would be local.

I would just, you know, use
the video and that's it.

Yes, exactly.

Like, that's that's bananas.

Because like, I put this a mobile device,
and often you can find find yourself in a

place that you want to
work on such a video.

But you may have like, ,
of course you, you will.

You will have like 4G or
even 5G internet connection.

But that's not always the case and

that this internet connection can be
not not not so good as you have, you know,

so it takes like a couple of minutes to
, to download a long, long video in 4K.

Exactly.
So that's the problem.

And you know, the 5G is fantastic.

I'm really I'm so happy with the 5G like

because around me, like it seems
like 5G is everywhere already.

I think it's very, very like where I live.

I think they have upgraded the

infrastructure very quickly
and and it's really fast.

So I don't have to find any
hotspots, anything, anywhere.

I'm not even in the hotel rooms.
I don't care.

I'm not.

I'm not going to load the crap
out, crappy wi fi of the hotel.

I just prefer to use 5G.

I download the video like what I want or

what I mean, extremely videos
through 5G and it's fantastic.

It's no problem.

So, so it works pretty good.

But still, if I could have these files

locally and you know, I have that space
like it's wasted space right now,

it's kind of, you know, it's, you know, I
have eight hundred and something gigabytes

of wasted space on this hype, but
it's completely empty.

So I would love to have more,

more ways to really download like
indicate I want to download this.

I want to have this locally.

I want to have that
and and have that really work for me.

So, , I mean, there are hacks to do
it, but it's like it's not ideal.

I would love to have it like
really, really well done.

And especially because, you know, it works
with iCloud and and and it should with

iCloud Photos, it should just
work out of the box like this?

, I don't.

I really cannot wait to to
get my new MacBook Pro.

It will have two terabytes.

This is the.

And I just checked my iCloud Photo Library

is 400 gigabytes now, so
bigger than mine, so.

So , I couldn't fit it neither on my iPad.

I could fit it on my iMac,

but it would be very hard because
my arm, I is 512 gigabytes.

And I really cannot wait to
to make a clean up of this.

Icloud Photo Library because like, it's
like nine years of photos,

and I really want to get to grab some
older photos that I have on some disks

to upload it, like some photo
library and , cleaning it up.

I want to have all the files locally
to do it efficiency.

So I'm I will do it in in
December on my new MacBook Pro.

Nice.

So that's the plan.

And , and I'm really glad that, , I
really can't wait to have this machine.

Well, anyway, so apart from that,
I'm really enjoying the iPad Pro.

I'm loving it.

So if you go to Michael Nozbe Teams iPad

13 Pro, you will have to, you know, the
whole review of of the

three month review of my iPad Pro
with all the details and some photos.

And
like for me personally, like, there are

these drawbacks and these,
you know, iOS limitations.

But for my work, they
don't affect me that much.

But they they I still find lots
of joy just using this iPad.

And it's just I love having
it as my my only, my only.

I mean, my main computer.

That's that's we always
think like using an iPad.

It's a lot of joy.

It has it has its limitations about, ,
it really sparks joy.

Just like my iPad Mini that we talked
about that on a recent episode.

But it was two weeks ago, and I really

didn't have much time to play
with it because of November.

And.

So sorry, I don't have any new
conclusions about that yet.

Hopefully, I will have
it for the next episode.

But , you posted a two blog posts about
your new Home Office set up for 2022.

Yes.

Here it is in the show
notes and a chapter.

, and I have some questions about it.

OK, because so this is
like this last question.

So this is the space.

What you're showing right now
is the space behind my desk.

So this is what you can see.

Like, this is the space behind me.

It's not my desk.
Hmm.

.

So you're still have this
Thunderbolt display?

Yes.
What?

What do you use it for?
No.

So right now, nothing.

Just there because I used to
have the iMac connected to it.

But now I'm, I guess,
in a different place.

So the cable is not long enough.

But I am getting a Thunderbolt
two USB-C to Thunderbolt two, Thunderbolt

four like that, you know,
to have the dongle to to change it.

Slack and I talk to my iPad

so I could sometimes connect to it and put
some videos on there and some other stuff.

So

I want to use it as an additional display,
and I'm either going to use that,

I'm going to sell it and
get a proper 4K display.

I'm not sure yet like I used to use it
just because I had it in my home and I've

had this display for
just many, many years.

But now it's there just for
decoration until I find a use for it.

.
Okay, okay, that's good enough experiment.

All right.
Another question is what?

Because I can see some new stuff on your
on your fancy OSB walls?

Yes.
Mm-Hmm.

, there is.
I think there's a new iPhone there.

So.
So there are two iPhones.

There is the iPhone AC and
there is the the iPhone 3G.

Yes, yes, 4G, 3G and both
work and both work perfectly.

Even the 3G.

And so there is the iPad three.

There is the iPad one.

And I made a special kind of

shelf for my water so I can have
water next to me when I sit there.

I made a special hanger for my am,

so I have this stand for the iPad so I can
use the iPad as on the iPad for drawing.

So I have to stand there

that I can just pull up and use it as
a, you know, as a support for the iPad.

And then above this, this is the great one
is just just below the the original iPad.

It does build the iPad
three the way it is.

Yes.
So yes, exactly.

This is like a stand, a
pop up for the, you know, for the to use

it and then iPad, not just for
drawing and those kind of things.

And then I have a broken iPad.

Mini two, and it's completely broken, it

doesn't work anymore, so that's why it's
back is there.

So that's that's that's
that's why it's backwards.

Exactly, exactly.

I mean, the screen is not shattered,
but it just doesn't display anything.

So I decided to put it on the other way
around so that you can see a nice Apple

logo and, you know,
and that kind of stuff.

And then I also put my LEGO
on there on the wall and my Porsche Lego,

which I really like
and just, you know, personal stuff and of

course, my collection of of Apple Watch
wrists wristbands.

I really like like this.

I wasn't a fan that first of all
of this of this wall, but

you managed to convince me that's that's
the nice and it really looks very good as

your background
now as you move to your desk, right?

.
, that's that's really cool.

And I noticed that you do also

like as you move to move your desk,
you had to move your cables as well.

Oh, yes.
That's because now all the cables are

below the entrance to
the back to the balcony.

Yes.
I mean, not really all the cables.

I mean, I have just two cables that
are below the entrance to the balcony.

So the main and electricity the cable
and the Ethernet cable, and that's it.

Everything else that is under the desk.

Only to those two to the desk.

, because I also wanted to
make sure that I can plug it.

I mean, I can unplug the desk completely.

So the Ethernet cable also is connected
to other Ethernet cable.

With this joint thing
that you can, you can.

There's plastic there, a plastic
thing that joins two ethernet cables.

So this way I can

unplug the Ethernet cable and plug the
power cable, and I can move the desk with

all of the cables in it so I can really
freely move the desk anywhere I want.

And I mean this here now I can move it
a little bit, you know, differently.

Or, you know, move decide if I don't want

to have it next to the balcony for for
some reason,

I just wanted to make sure that the
desk is kind of independent, you know?

And I think it's a good tip that you don't
have too many cables going to the desk.

Instead, you have just, you know, two
cables maximum and the power and the

Ethernet and everything
else is within the desk.

So under the desk, I have all the power
charging, you know, all the,

you know, everything the whole
infrastructure is contained in the desk.

, , that's that's really nice.

I think that's the best,
the best setup you ever had.

Yes, I think so.

.

So have you managed to to make this
display in the teleprompter mode?

So we've mirrored screen.

There is no chance to do it.

I checked everything
the the there an application that tries to

like to do this, you
know, teleprompter mode.

, essentially, yes, to
the Typekit didn't work.

No, it works, but it's
rewrites the screen.

So it's laggy.

Oh yes.

So it's good for, you know, for text, but

it's not good for this
for video conferencing.

VIDEO Because it will
just be like, I tried it.

I just told it, it works, but
it makes everything laggy.

So no.

So no, there is no application or no way
to like, you know, in the, you know, our

macOS to flip the screen
horizontally so that I can see

like you right now in the
way that it will be flipped.

Huh.
I couldn't find maybe our listeners have

started to have some tips, so let
us know if you know how to do it.

Exactly.

I hope that I will have the
teleprompter at all next year.

So , I haven't bought it
on Black Friday because like

a really iPad Mini and MacBook Pro
may make my budget for Black Friday sales

really low, so I really
must have to to resist myself from buying

stock because there were some
good promos for the stuff.

I do like to have this, but
they're not, like, indispensable.

.
So for example, I

, that's a that's a go jump to the to
the stuff we bought and didn't buy.

, because I didn't buy AirPods Pro
and there was a good promo for this.

And , I I'd really like to have have them.

I since I started to appreciate it, like

just sitting and listening to the music
for a while and do nothing else to focus

on the music, to hear
each instrument separately.

And now with all those fancy.

High quality in Apple Music,
no, it's no it's possible.

And with with AirPods Pro, that
would be even even cooler, probably.

So for the same, I mean for the same, not
for the same reason, but for a reason.

I didn't also buy the AirPods Max because

AirPods Max were on sale as well,
and they are very expensive.

So they normally are 550 bucks

and they were down to 450
or something or even less.

I mean, very good price,
but still, it's lots of money.

And I thought and I asked around

some friends who have AirPods Max and what
do they think they think their grades are?

Why would they use them?

And one of the reasons is that
they listen to music a lot.

They like listening to that.

And the thing is that I barely do that.

I for for casual listening,

I always have my AirPods Pro, so I
have them with me on me all the time.

I have these bossy, you know, and CS 700s,

and I've hardly used them
like they are here.

But I use them right now for podcasting,

but I hardly ever put them on
for anything else and I could.

But I don't because I just have my AirPods
Pro with me, so I thought, I'm going to

spend like this, you know, almost half a
grand on these new headphones by Apple

so that they can sit around
like, you know, not really.

And so, no, I decided not to buy them,
and I was pretty proud of myself.

, let's look at us.

We are bragging about
things we didn't buy.

.
But then I take on Amazon, and I saw there

was a very good promo of Beats headphones,
red ones and my and I showed them to my

wife and she was like, I want
one and I got them for my wife.

So I'm a great husband.

I bought my wife

a beautiful red and noise canceling its
headphones, and they will have the price.

So great.
That's that's cool promo.

.
And speaking of headphones, actually,

like, as I said to like November was
very intense and a lot of meetings.

And one day even I even though
I have these Bose like QC 35.

Yes.
And they are very comfortable.

Mm hmm.
But after wearing them for almost the

whole whole day with meetings and so on,
my head and my ears felt tired of this.

And next day I tried to just use
the regular AirPods for meetings.

And that was that was much better.

And that that is why I'm I'm considering
AirPods Pro, and once I have the budget

for this, I will wait for the proper
promo and , and probably buy it.

So that's one of the use cases
that many people are saying.

That's because they work from home.

They have headphones on all the time

and I don't because
I'm at all in my home office.

There is nobody else here.

So in most of the meetings,
I use this microphone.

So there sure am found seven
microphones, so a good microphone.

But then I use the speakers from the

computer for people who speak to me, so
I don't wear headphones on the meetings.

It's only when I do
meetings from the iPad.

I use the AirPods Pro for the meetings
because then I want to have the headphones

because usually they have my iPad,
for example, downstairs when where?

Yes, there are people in my neighborhood
that could listen to the conversation.

So and again, another use case that I
don't wear headphones all that much to

justify, like, you know,
buying expensive headphones.

, that's a really nice tip because I.

So it works well if you use
your speakers home.

I guess it's , there's
no no, no, there's no.

I can't.
I try.

I try that.
, try it, man, because it's like I use

this microphone so people
can can hear me very well.

And then I use in there.

I'm just hearing the
speakers, and that's it.

No headphones connected.

So that's why I hardly use
these headphones, right?

Anything 'cause I didn't invite, ,

there was a great promo
and you mentioned that maybe you want to

change your Thunderbolt display
to a proper 4K display.

, there's really nice
Huawei Mate view display.

Ah, it's it's 4K, but it's aspect
ratio is 3:2 instead of 16 by nine.

, and it's it's really nice design and.

, it was very tempting to to buy it to to

to have it for my MacBook Pro,
but , it was.

I didn't have a budget for this,
so maybe that would be the next

my next display once I get the
budget for this and Apple.

We will see if Apple shipped something.

, the latest rumors are that something
might come in March from from Apple.

So we still have hopefully
still have a long way to go.

.

And I mean, that's why I'm not, you know,
as I as we mentioned, I was tempted to to

change my iMac to the new iMac,
but I'm just waiting for the other iMac

and see how it's going to be
because this one is good enough.

It doesn't have Monterray because it's so

old, but you know, it handles my
tasks and it's still a good display.

So it's all I need right now.

, like it's it's the best this
5K display on the market.

Exactly.

So I'm OK.

I don't need an upgrade here.

So no, I'm really I mean, that's why, you

know, I wrote, and if you go to make a lot
of office, you will see, you know, all the

blog posts that I shipped
since the all my home office.

There should be a video in my
home office soon, also dropping.

I'm really happy with my setup right now,

and hopefully for the next year,
I'm going to tweak it anymore.

I'm just going to use it and and
just get, you know, get most of it.

.

OK, so let's let's jump to the things
I managed to buy.

That's actually small accessories.

Finally, there was a promo for AirTags,
so I bought four of them.

And , I really liked the set up was
very, very easy and very satisfying.

Yes.

Just on the Apple can do this,
and I've also bought some tablet case and

laptop sleeve
from the company called Moft.

Mm-Hmm.
And it's like this.

The sleeve for my MacBook Pro.

But this but this also origami stand.
Hmm.

So I can elevate my MacBook
Pro if I want white covering.

That's very nice and the tablet to
snap on the case, so

I will be able to snap it onto
the iPad Mini OK and have it with

different angles, both in
portrait and landscape modes.

OK.
But , it's it's it's shipped.

It's in China right now.

So like more and more stuff
are shipped from China.

I must, I must say, and

I bought paper like like two weeks ago and
it was shipped from Germany to Poland.

And I still don't have it well because
#PolishPost

like apparently it was on Monday, the
postman was to try to deliver this,

according to the system, but there was no,
no legal notice in my mailbox about that.

OK.
And today, the same and like they are just

putting fake info into the tracking
system, and I really hate it.

I would understand if they put
a sorry, we don't have that.

The postman.

There are not not enough postman's
in the post office and it's a delay.

But no, they just put the fake info into

the system that they tried to deliver,
even though it's it's not true.

.
, I mean, .

And I ask people like to send me another

one with the proper, the proper
like company, and they did.

So hopefully I will have it.
That's good.

Now that's that's the people who
who are working from home like us.

This is the most annoying thing that
the deliveryman can do.

He wasn't at home.
What do you mean?

I wasn't home.
I work from home.

I'm here all the freaking time.
I'm here.

Hello.

And but you are not here.

You're just putting fake
news in the system.

It happened to me.
It was so funny.

Like, like, normally I don't care so much
that something comes like, you know, like

Amazon wants to ship things
everything next day.

And they they exaggerate because
sometimes things are shipped on Sunday.

I don't need these guys to work on Sunday.

I can't wait until Monday,

but once I remember, I really needed this
because it was a gift from my father.

So I wanted it to, you know, to be on that

bloody Sunday, you know, and they
said, that's going to be on Sunday.

And it wasn't coming for the whole day,

and I was sitting on my porch outside,
take on my porch

and they check in the system
intent of delivery five minutes ago.

And I'm like, Seriously.

.

They could call you, and they very, very
could tell you like they have a problems

to deliver this and you can
you can arrange the meeting.

We have them in the city, for example.

Well, that's more convenient for them.

That's whatever don't bleep
put paid up into the system.

Actually, that's not good.
No, right?

We understand delays that that's not
uploaded, but fake data in the system.

Is that?
.

.
The worst thing they can do.

Yes, that's true.

Yes.
.

Anyway, OK.

I think it's time to
wrap up the show, right?

That's the high time to wrap it up.

So thank you guys for listening.

And , Michael, what they is
in two days, actually.

So because we are recording this
on Wednesday might be Friday.

And for me, it's going to be very
amazing because it's my free day.

But for people at Nozbe and for you, it

should be a mighty Friday, which means
kind of free because after the review and

just work on yourself on
your personal development.

, you can.
And after doing here, we care of you and

trying priorities for the next
week, you can learn something new.

However, some, some online training, what

some videos from conference are
what our product group to learn more about

Nozbe Teams features, how
to use it even even better.

And , that's that is the way to have a

great, great weekend
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